Monday, 28 May 2012

Attention On Deck!

Its been an interesting time..

Utric went nuts and started loosing ships as much as killing them, Our wormhole operations have been bolstered by Panicus knuckling down to grind like a mo-fo, while in our other wormhole, subtly dubbed the cabbagehole, has all but been put to ruin completely wrecking poor Decons attempt at a making personal ISK haven.

After his 'not a single fuck was given' campaign of death and slaughter, Utric has decided to hang up his eve hat and is leaving the game. One of the most ballsy PVPers I ever knew on a personal level, taking place in my own Hall of Fame; with greats such as Champs d'elise before the character was sold on...

Utric101, Utric, Eve online, PVP, leaving eve,

Utric, I salute you.

We as a corp have been forging or at least attempting to forge links with out estranged alliance and otherwise seen a stagnation of players in FROOTcorp (albeit I've not been nearly as active as I have in passed days).

Big respects go to the FROOTs that continue to live the dream, sadly a lot of the Banana Bunch have either been subdued by real life, their computers have been fried or died or, more recently had their attention stolen by Diablo 3.

Zammo Bahrut, Zammo, Eve Character, Portrait, Eve,
And now to the crux of my post, I've decided once again to put away my Eve toys, It's time for Zammo to rest. I've reached a crucial point in eve where the grind of it is now (for me personally) over-weighing the fun that I get from the game, I love Eve as a game, and I get excited by eve still, but I've lost that special feeling of "what's gonna happen on Eve today!" now more often or not I find myself faced with the rigmarole of "how much ISK do I need to grind for my next PLEX" or "Is the wormhole in need of any logistic work I need to get done".




Very few times in the passed couple of months have I closed my Eve client thinking "Hell yeah that was fun". As such I'm stepping down as the CEO of FROOT, at the same time hoping to steer the corp into a tighter coalition with the alliance.

Sadly, I act as somewhat of a hub to FROOT, and without my superior (lmao ...) leadership the corp will either be having its members amalgamate into a sister corp in our alliance or as a greatly reduced corp, will be moving into the main alliance wormhole with shrunken membership.

I might go out with a blaze of glory after a lengthy chat with Goose last night about the 'thrill' of nullsec ... one last hurrah before my account goes offline. I might just decide to fade away quietly, either way I intend to make sure my corp that is filled with my friends is in a good place before I go.

I know all this is a little saddening and I'm going to miss a lot of people that I've met in eve but its simply no longer worth the hassle, there are much better ways for me to spend my personal time chillin' out (I'll still be gaming, but just in different games...)

To those that will miss the almighty chin that is Zammo, thank you for an awesome time.

leaving eve online, magnate, anathema, wormhole,


Zammo
Over and out.


Thursday, 17 May 2012

Eve Onblo 3 ?

I make no apologies to the fact that I've not been in eve much, League of Legends captured my attention... and now, well... now Diablo 3 is calling.

I'm sure some epic things happened in EvE, Utric probably killed some dudes... or lost another ship umm, there was a wormhole n' junk and probably some noobs emo rage quitting.

Ooh, new missiles soon, I'll see if I can remember my password to log in, would like to see that...

eve online, league of legends, diablo 3, nerdgasm



Thursday, 26 April 2012

Suddenly a wild fuck was given.

It's been testing times for the fearless FROOTs ... a good few of which jumped bowl to join other member corps of our new-found alliance group. While I can't blame them for taking the opportunity to move up in the world, its always a little sad to see long standing FROOTy pals waving g'bye .. often as is the case in eve, I simply loose track of people I once knew quite well and, over time... they simply become a green box tat flashes in the bottom corner of my screen.

My many years in eve have left me with only a handful of toons that I knowingly call friend. such if the fickle nature of teh interwebz.

In other news... If some of you recall, I made a post (Feb 10th) about a particular bully group that had been causing the corp some hassle. While we had a few lols at their expense the sheer weight of superior numbers caused us a lot of trouble.

However...

POS shieldThe Warp Core Stabilizers are a group which seemingly are not to be fucked with, and when Utric decided to poke the bear that is Galactic Ranger (Gay Lactating Rangers...) The W.C.S decided to poke it too... with a much larger stick to such an end that I joined in for some overdue revenge.

Due to W.C.S being douchebags of extraordinary talent and due to the goading talents of Utric and Mauler I spent a long time staring at a POS health bar ... and after the deed was done. The Galactic Ranger alliance disbanded. Quite an outcome considering the W.C.S didn't actually destroy the POS and was fighting far superior numbers. well done lads!

That little animation pretty much covers about 4 or 5 hours of my eve life. POS bash's are very dull, as you can see, I left before they even hit the reinforced level (the green overlay) which took them an additional 2 hours!

having bored myself to death... and with corp looking so empty my usually sedated requirement for lols has surfaced with a vengeance, and after a short trip into nullsec I'm the proud owner of 4 killmails to one loss. 2 super-repped hyperions... which didn't rep that well it seems and 2 drakes. Not too bad, but I feel there's room for a few more green bars under my face on the killboards...

Talking of which, In a not too uncommon recruitment tactic, I blew up some guys ship, then he joined us. and within 48 hours of him joining, and only a short while in game he's had his 1st kill, I for one welcome my new padawan he shows great promise of being very FROOTy; Welcome Azazel!


Friday, 23 March 2012

Oh no you di'nt

Soo, I was doing my thing, floating about various systems, not doing much of anything... I headed to one of my hotspots for acquisition of tears or lols... otherwise known as Deepari, I try not to frequent the area too much so I don't draw attention to myself, but its not exactly a secret that I go there to shoot at whomever decides to present a target, be it from can flipping or general greifing.

I had all but become bored as the system was very quiet and not a lot was actually happening, when I stumbled across something which struck me as out of place...

An Augoror (logistic support ship) was apparently mining. More importantly, he was mining into a jet-can (putting the minerals he mines into an external container). Prime conditions for some can flip antics, In preparation for my attack, I do some basic research... firstly, how old is the toon... I discover he's nearly 6 years in game.

This smacks of some kind of trap. An Old character using an often overlooked ship doing something which is not a strong point of that ships design... its all too out of place.

I start to dig more, now expecting a counter attack from a prepared character deliberately undertaking actions which would entice opportune can flippers. I check eve-kill for his history, expecting a tirade of kills which could be related to such actions. Instead... I find...


nothing

I check battleclinic...


nothing


This toon is nearly 6 years old, and NEVER lost a ship? I don't think I of all people can allow someone that kind of grace, this is EVE ... everyone looses ships.

one swift refit later into a deliberately designed low cost Tornado, and back to Deepari I go, fully understanding that the cost of my loss is utterly ridiculous compared to the kill I'm about to undertake, but its the principle of the matter... no losses ... ever.. screw that, time to correct the matter.

and so, with a swift and deliberate strike from my 1400mm cannons his ship explodes, and local went a bit like this (while I was busy pissing myself with laughter):

The Watcher > my ship just got blown up
Zammo Bahrut > whoops
Zammo Bahrut > was that you ?
The Watcher > what happen?
The Watcher > i waz just minning
Zammo Bahrut > did you press the wrong button? [troll mode engaged ]
Melyor Le'line > Got canflipped I take it?
The Watcher > i see a glimps of a message about a worp block
The Watcher > and police
The Watcher > wooo gutting, had a good setup on that ship:(
 Melyor Le'line > Eh, CONCORD doesn't show up if you were "just mining"...
The Watcher > yeah, i have no idea what happen


to the unknowing 'The Watcher' character; I have no apologies, your combat record needed adjustment.


Tuesday, 13 March 2012

ISK wars

Its fair to say that FROOT as a corp likes shiny things... sadly we don't much like it when we loose our shiny toys. Officially it gives us 'bad stats' on battleclinic and the likes, however, can't say that any of us actually give a crap about 'stats'.

Stats can be inflated quite easily, gate camps, suicide ganks and probably a dozen other ways to falsely polish the collective nerd-numbers.

While we are far from an epitome of good etiquette in EvE we do enjoy what we get up to, and when I see things such as the link below it makes me laugh. We don't have the shiny ships but one way or another a FROOT is waiting to kill your ship with whatever we have at our disposal. We pick our fights...

Utric.. this one surpasses your supreme pew-pew godlike abilities...



Tuesday, 6 March 2012

Dark Omens of things ahead.

Courtesy of Axloth Okiah:

I was getting my ninja on and hilarity ensued. I scanned two omens, warped to them in my heron and looted their wreck. They warped away and convoed me:

Phellanx > why did you steal from us?
Axloth Okiah > you just left it there
Mortos Soulstealer > we didnt even have time to loot it all before you got in
Phellanx > so you can choose
Axloth Okiah > choose what?
Phellanx > do you just want to give us 500k isk each or shall we just hunt you down?

they tried to bullshit me so i decided to bullshit them right back

Axloth Okiah > what?
Mortos Soulstealer > or a bounty
Phellanx > well we can hunt you down now, since you stole from us we can attack you :P we can also choose to put a bounty on you
Axloth Okiah > universe is big
Mortos Soulstealer > we wont have to hunt you if theres a bounty on your head
Axloth Okiah > do you want what i looted back?
Mortos Soulstealer > nah its just the principle of thing
Phellanx > nope, we just want you to pay us 500k isk each lol
Axloth Okiah > lol, what i looted is worth 4500isk
Axloth Okiah > im not gonna pay you 1mil
Phellanx > its the principle that you steal from us m8
Axloth Okiah > concord would shoot me if i did any crime
Axloth Okiah > and concord didnt, so its ok
Phellanx > you chose to steal from a player therefor we can kill you
Axloth Okiah > but you didnt
Phellanx > no but now we do want you dead, its still fun :P
Phellanx > or we can let you live if you pay us
Mortos Soulstealer > proof of how nice we are
Axloth Okiah > you are not nice, paying 1mil is crazy
Phellanx > either way, im pretty sure your ship is worth more than 1 mil isk
Phellanx > even with a platinum insurance
Axloth Okiah > its tech1 frigate
Axloth Okiah > it cost 160k
Mortos Soulstealer > stealing is crazy to
Phellanx > im wondering if you even have a clone at this point, would be a shame if your pod would be destroyed you know losing all your skill points and stuff
Mortos Soulstealer > you should know that......... you have been playing for a while
Axloth Okiah > you can kill my pod?
Phellanx > haha aye why do you think you have to buy clones lol
Mortos Soulstealer > we shouldnt have said that >.>
Phellanx > btw i wouldnt go near any bases now that theres a bounty on your head m8
Phellanx > big chance youll be shot down
Axloth Okiah > cowards
Phellanx > pay us 500k each and we'll take it down
Axloth Okiah > you are criminals, not me
Mortos Soulstealer > we are not the ones that stole from others
Axloth Okiah > blackmailing is worse than stealing
hellanx > right click our names and choose give money 500k

I jetted a can with the loot

Axloth Okiah > here is what i found
Phellanx > were giving you the easy way out
Axloth Okiah > now leave me alone
Mortos Soulstealer > mind abandoning it first?
Phellanx > you need to rigt click our names in next to the chat bar and choose give money
Axloth Okiah > what?
Phellanx > were not taking your cargo container m8 it would be noted as stealing as well haha
Mortos Soulstealer > hm.... you didnt abandon the container........ cant take it now..... would be stealing you know ;)
Axloth Okiah > its yours anyway
Phellanx > im getting tired of this
Axloth Okiah > i wont let you blackmail me

time to get all crazy and insane with rookie-bloodlust

Axloth Okiah > i would probably kill you two cowards even in my frigate
Phellanx > lol i could kill you by 1 of my drones
Axloth Okiah > what are you afraid off?
Axloth Okiah > my frig lol
Axloth Okiah > i will kill you with my heron
Mortos Soulstealer > just get your ass back here and abandon it...... it aint that hard
Axloth Okiah > and your pod
Mortos Soulstealer > death threat even from the criminal that stole
Axloth Okiah > you threatened me first
Phellanx > ok why dont you come back than see what happens
Mortos Soulstealer > because you stole from us
Mortos Soulstealer > doesnt matter how small you still stole
Axloth Okiah > i can afford second frigate

leeroy jenkins!!! uaaaa

Axloth Okiah > so im not affraid
Mortos Soulstealer > good for you
Phellanx > haha :P well were still putting a bounty on your head and when we know you got killed we'll put another one on
Axloth Okiah > come fight me cowards
Phellanx > ok come to asteroid belt 1
Axloth Okiah > you are not in the system even

Phellanx went to get warp disruptor

Mortos Soulstealer > i am
Axloth Okiah > i just bought a cruiser, i will kill you both now
Mortos Soulstealer > congratulations
Phellanx > ok come to asteroid belt 1 then in baviasi
Axloth Okiah > im in belt, come kill me
Axloth Okiah > 2 on 1?
Mortos Soulstealer > that is what you wanted right?

they jetted a can

Phellanx > take the item
Axloth Okiah > i dont want second bounty, you take mine
Axloth Okiah > i wont place bounty on you, i have no money left
Phellanx > just take it and lets get this over with
Axloth Okiah > i didnt have enough money to buy ammo to kill both of you
Axloth Okiah > i must kill you one by one
Axloth Okiah > you can pick who i kill first
Phellanx > take the item and you can attack me first since its my item
Axloth Okiah > ok, will mortos stayt out of it?
Phellanx > go ahead he wont attack
Axloth Okiah > you promise?
Mortos Soulstealer > ok

I took the can, Phellanx engaged me

Mortos Soulstealer > seems i wont even have to
Phellanx > sorry m8 you cant warp away

I killed his drones, scrammed him, neuted him and was going trough his armor, and the other guy attacked. Soon first exploded and I started working on the other one.

http://froot.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12651429
http://froot.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12651428

Axloth Okiah > that was fun guys
Axloth Okiah > thanks
Phellanx > now we will put a bounty on you for sure
Axloth Okiah > no prob ;)
Phellanx > to bad this game isnt fair haha
Axloth Okiah > 2v1 isnt fair, true

Monday, 5 March 2012

shhh ... the FROOT is sleeping

It's been REAAAAALY quiet in FROOT recently. Probably just me being on at the wrong time or some crap. I'm sure shit is getting done, but somehow not while I'm about...

I suspect that they're all spais and are trying to undertake a FRU-de-grace and usurp me their great and wonderous leader!

Sunday, 19 February 2012

Endy's Erstwhile Excellent Embroilment

Endy, to help overcome eve-burnout, decided that we needed some corp action which would involve as many as possible, so he settled on the idea of a lowsex friggy roam. Cheap cheerful carefree combat was the aim of the game. A worthy cause, one which reinvigorates peoples love or loathing of Eve Online.

So, a date, time and place were set...
Axloth was on, chatting on the FROOTspeak ... Chas was hanging around and even Melf showed up for some lol-sec fun times, I as always was mooching about generally doing nothing (see also: being a carebear of extraordinary cary-beary-ness). But where was Endy?

Nope, we waited a while... and no Endymi, so being that I am by far and excluding none, one of the single greatest leaders of men ever to grace the game of Eve Online I began organising the fleet. Rifters... check, Punisher, yup.. Kestral ... ok it wasnt pretty but it was our elite pvp fleet.

We headed out of Amarr into Ami lowsec, roaming northward (Without Endy ... did I mention he didn't turn up?) and excluding a lot of very boring and empty systems, we chased a few lone people, only catching up with a lone drake hugging a gate like it was his childhood 'blanky' Its surpriseing just how scary four tech 1 frigs must appear to be...

Ignoring the boring systems... In part because of the dullness of these systems and at my choice we found a local faction rat for some ISKs, Utric pushed it one further and we ran an anomaly in our shitty frigs, we were reaching that pinnacle point at which boredom begins to set in and the fleet starts doing crazy shit just because. In this case, It meant warping to a cyno, which was on a station, and then attempting to 'ransom' the Archon that undocked. The Archon pilot clearly didn't see the funny side of this and got all grumpy in local chat then docked up.


HOWEVER .... while we were all pissing about laughing at this general shenanigans, a rupture had warped to the station. Upon trying to lock him, he warped away to a gate... so we followed, we had broken the rule of Eve ... super serious internet spaceships. At this point we could in no way be considered to be in a serious mood and suicide seemed like the best way to bring things to a head.

Not wanting gate aggro, he dropped a can. Utric, not giving a single fuck, took it. Utric called engaged... (although he hadn't actually fired...) so I as FC yelled to all engage. At that point no great surprise really .. oh look a blob of death jumping through, Utric jumped through... and away to safety.. I called to GTFO chas did like a good boy and ran the hell away. The rest of us died.

In the ensuing laughter over teamspeak while smacking in local about their  requirement to use a fleet of high end stuff to take out some frigates... I check the Killboards. 

The result? we WON (in terms of isk ...)

Somehow, the rupture pilot had died to gate gun fire. This meant that, as we had caused the aggro, it got tallied to our kills!


Friday, 10 February 2012

oh Fabulous!

What an interesting time we've had... Utric doing his normal thing of shooting anything that doesn't have the tag 'Utric' at the start of it found some people that were in need of some pew pew power.

In so far as he'd shot at them, and then got chatting we decided that in the best interest of lolz and tears we'd join them to go and shoot at some other poor saps. It was to be many epic lolz we would as one FROOTy force join the alliance and bring forth our own special 'who gives a shit attitude' to their war. In essence... To crush our enemies -- See them driven before us, and to hear the lamentation of their CEO!


In true FROOT style, no sooner had we arranged this than my inbox flashed with an incomming and completely unrelated (well ... unrelated to the war in question, but still at the root cause that is Utric101 ... god I love that guy sometimes)


and so, from the dust raises an old sparing partner 'Galatic Rangers' ... 


sorry did I misstype their name? this should rectify that:


So to spoil our own little griefing party these nut rubbers now have FROOT well and truely backpeddling. Poor Chas lost a Geddon after a 4 hour POS bash, he was heading home and promptly had his vessel removed from around him by several of these lovey space-turds ... a 2 Bhaalgorn fleet with support stomped all over his poor Geddon, we saw fit to get retribution for the kill. but this is gonna be tricky with those 2 space-tampons flying around neuting everything.


So. Rangers... if you got issue with Utric, ask him for a 1v1 ... I'm sure he'd love to quite frankly tho, we both know this war will end up played out mostly inside of a station. Yay for high-sec wars. 

Saturday, 4 February 2012

Not this crap again...

Well what a day ..

After much deliberation about how best we as a corp should go about doing stuff, I decided to pump ISK into my ever waning wallet.. care bear mode... Engage!


but no sooner than I put agent to journal and begun turning the grind wheel I get rudely interrupted by a girl band from the early 90's  ... well, their namesake anyway.

TLC, a group of wormhole bullies that we keep having little run-in's with, quite rudely they decided to try and once again extract ISK from our tightly clenched fists, with Chasman defending us in the form of a stiff talking to their guys... after some billy big bollocks nonsense from them, they eventually ... did nothing more than flinging a few bombs at the POS defences and then left, that sure showed us.

So, the point remains, I'm poorer than I should be, the corp is ticking over nicely and we're still being picked on by anyone that comes our way, sounds pretty much like normal state of affairs.



Oh... and our noob put me sorely in my place... Decon, I'm gonna fall in love with you if you carry on like this, but I am supremely jealous.

Friday, 27 January 2012

war ... what war ?

On a lighter note the war is boring the crap out of me, the targets chosen to sharpen our banana's is a turtle corp, the inside of any given station being much preferred to, well ... anywhere else. I will congratulate the few that DID stand against us, they undocked, locked and rocked... took out a FROOTy drake. to those guys, I salute you! you play the game like real (fake-internet-space-ships) men. Our own efforts in the war have mostly been station camping, and becoming more and more depressed until we all log off and play League Of Legends.

The stats aren't too bad, but the boredom is enough I'll probably not be extending the wardec.
 - 5 kills - 1 loss - 54% efficiency (isk)


I guess It's back to incursions and general buggering about after the dec ends, especially after Utric died because of a Charon... I mean.. seriously... a Sleipnir lost because of a Charon ...

Sunday, 22 January 2012

Not War I expected...

Note to be taken, war-dec will only pass if the 'master wallet' has the ISK available. Retrospectively this means that I accidentally war-dec'd two groups at once, the first was intended to be nothing more than a reason for some of our PVP types to grind their teeth a little, the 2nd dec was to replace the 1st after I failed to correctly fund the wallet.

Having put more ISK into the wallet, both war-dec's passed... I had to retract the 1st, due to the insane levels of derp involved in all this, the 1st bunch, hired a merc alliance to stomp us back down, and now that the 2nd dec passed they too hired mercs...

All in all even If I now tell the FROOTs to not fire a single shot we've still caused collateral ISK damage. I know all too well however that certain FROOTs will happily go ahead and throw ships at anything that isnt them.

watch the killboards, its going to get interesting.

Friday, 13 January 2012

Computational Calamity

While not actually related to EvE ... the following does have relevance to my ability to play EvE... also, tech-heads everywhere will frown and laugh at the following farce.

My laptop, although worthy and capable, is far from a gaming powerhouse, and knowing this I also maintain a more powerful *cough cough* desktop unit.

Recently I've been sorting my study into order after we've moved house, the majority of bits still in the boxes... So, having found the monitor (easy mode) the computer ( ... still quite easy) and the parts which constitute an operation home computer (monitor leads, mouse and sundry cables) I find myself in need to access my ancient external HDD... which in itself requires a power source 12v 2Amp ... simple I already found the DC adapter brick!

Now, build the following picture... you have in-front of you a computer, with 1 kettle lead plugged in for power, a monitor also requiring 1x kettle lead, and you already know that 1 kettle lead has gone downstairs to power the telly.

Begin the hunt for 'a kettle lead' ... now, don't get me wrong, I've purchased a LOT of electronic equipment, often each being supplied with one of these power leads, and as most tech inclined will know, you end up with a surplus often stuffed into a never-to-be-opened drawer or otherwise lost and forgotten. In the spirit and understanding that "i have tons of these" ... I left a few scattered on the floor of the property we'd vacated nonchalantly happy that I'd no doubt have plenty enough.

Wrong.

Now I find that I cannot access the HDD without somehow deliberately acquiring what, in the lead and cable world, would be the equivalent of the town pigeon. Sad times.

Calling upon my almighty and extensive brain powah I formulate a fool-proof plan to circumvent this little issue, I'll simply take the HDD out of its enclose, plug into the main case and wam-bam thank you mam... everything will be peachy.

After much fumbling around using the wrong head on my technical screwdriver to take out the case screws and bending a few bits and pieces to take out the offending drive, I get into the tech-commando position (AKA... laying on your belly head shoved into the PC case) and begin the implant...

Only to find, and wait for it... this is the real kick in the proverbial nuts. Only to find that I need an IDE cable.

"I have TONS of these... ..."  heard that line someplace else?

So .. now, I have an external HDD casing strewn everywhere... an IDE HDD with NO way to connect to anything and a severe frustration that I've probably thrown away about a dozen IDE cables in the past six months or so... I mean, honestly, who still needs IDE ?

Computers... much fun

Monday, 9 January 2012

Please.. please stop hurting us... weer simpul folk

Thanks to the Diplomatic work carried out by Duto's exploding ship.... oh, and Endy... we just found ourselves some possible FROOTy friends... as FROOTy as ourselves, but worthy of our attention.

It seems the kind folk that kindly helped Duto get rid of that annoying Tech 3 ship... and Axloth's Myrmidon are actually old acquaintances of ours, we previously helped *cough cough* after asploding his ship *cough* one of their members get back home out of our wormhole.

Well, after the dust settled and everything was done, and once Endy recalled the corp name some chatting was done, some words were said...

and FROOT has at long last found... *fan-fare*

its first + standing friends!!!


We wish you a merry FROOTmas

Soooo.. its been and gone 'festive' season, we've all had too much white meat ( giggety ? ) and now we find ourselves once more drawn to the keys and mice that allow us to transmogroplace into the Eve Online universe.

FROOT has in the early part of this year been on a steady course of self destruction and self flagellation. I've been trimming some of the fat from around our laden belly and, a few members have chosen that 'other routes' now call them in eve.. leaving behind their FROOTy beginnings.

Our pockets are beginning to fatten from our toils, and our ever decreasing arsenal of ships (Duto having recently lost a shiny shiny Tech 3...) so, once step forward, and one to the side, probably a couple backward as well...

perhaps a little slightly effeminate skip in there for good measure.

I've been teaching the way of the ninja, and while I am farrrr from expert in the art of griefing, I've transposed the knowledge to those that would absorb it. Even to the point that one of my early protégé whom had long since exceeded my teachings was proudly cooing over the fact I was teaching others skills which he had taught me!


So, generally, Nothing has happened that is of any major concern... Panicus and Chi Ke have gone their separate ways from the corp, and the new chaps are settling in quite well, shout out to Chasman!


Signing off untils something monumentally interesting occurs.... or until I'm bored enough to write another rambling post about nothing.